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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:50 pm 
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Anybody else seen this? I've purchased literally hundreds of individual mp3 songs as well as mp3 albums through amazon.com and have never seen this until tonight:

Some record companies require us to insert identifiers in the metadata that accompanies music when you download it from the Digital Music Store or your Amazon Music library. This includes music you have purchased from Amazon.com and matched music imported to your Amazon Music library from your device. These identifiers may include a random number Amazon assigns to your order or copy, purchase date and time, an indicator that the music was downloaded from Amazon, codes that identify the album and song (the UPC and ISRC), Amazon's digital signature, an identifier that can be used to determine whether the audio has been modified, and an indicator whether the music was purchased from the Digital Music Store or imported to your Amazon Music library.

Songs sold in the Digital Music Store that include these identifiers are marked on their product detail page. These identifiers do not affect the playback experience in any way.


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 Post subject: Re: Metadata notice
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sounds like exactly what was being mentioned for a long time to make SC downloads a reality. i didn't know this was being done.

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Meta tags are awesome for personalizing your collection. Kj file manager allows to write meta data.

By having personalized meta data also lets companies know where the digital file came from if they see them offered in bootleg sites.


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If you read this as being a security measure against piracy or for the identification of who purchased a track, think again. All if that metadata can be stripped with readily available commercial and non-commercial tools. Many of them built into the very players that use the metadata.

Of course your everyday person won't know anything about it (security through obscurity), but anyone that spends 5 mins on the Internet can figure out how to alter or remove the info.

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chrisavis wrote:
If you read this as being a security measure against piracy or for the identification of who purchased a track, think again. All if that metadata can be stripped with readily available commercial and non-commercial tools. Many of them built into the very players that use the metadata.

Of course your everyday person won't know anything about it (security through obscurity), but anyone that spends 5 mins on the Internet can figure out how to alter or remove the info.

Fortunately there are an awfully lot of "low information" singers and hosts out there.:lol:


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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
sounds like exactly what was being mentioned for a long time to make SC downloads a reality. i didn't know this was being done.


No. Our process will not involve metadata, at least not in this sense.


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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
sounds like exactly what was being mentioned for a long time to make SC downloads a reality. i didn't know this was being done.


No. Our process will not involve metadata, at least not in this sense.
Will your "process" ever be available to the public?? Holding my breath is getting a bit hard.

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Will your "process" ever be available to the public?? Holding my breath is getting a bit hard.


Why would you care? You've made it clear that you aren't interested in doing business on our terms, so feel free to breathe.


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No. Our process will not involve metadata, at least not in this sense.

Of course it won't because it does require that you actually produce something marketable first.

Sometime.

In this century.

Breathing or not, that seems to be the ongoing obstacle.


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chrisavis wrote:
If you read this as being a security measure against piracy or for the identification of who purchased a track, think again.


So I'm thinking again, and I'm thinking, "If I'm legit, this is a nice trail they can follow to figure out if I paid for it." It would be a lot easier for law enforcement to just plug in a bunch of unique numbers and find out if someone is the true owner. If the metadata didn't exist, it would make someone suspect.


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chrisavis wrote:
If you read this as being a security measure against piracy or for the identification of who purchased a track, think again.

So I'm thinking again, and I'm thinking, "If I'm legit, this is a nice trail they can follow to figure out if I paid for it." It would be a lot easier for law enforcement to just plug in a bunch of unique numbers and find out if someone is the true owner. If the metadata didn't exist, it would make someone suspect.

Use BleachBit because if it doesn't exist "at this point what difference does it make". If the argument works for one... why not for all. :wink:


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JimHarrington wrote:
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Will your "process" ever be available to the public?? Holding my breath is getting a bit hard.


Why would you care? You've made it clear that you aren't interested in doing business on our terms, so feel free to breathe.

I have ALSO told you, that if you were to offer single song downloads, I WOULD be interested.

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toqer wrote:
chrisavis wrote:
If you read this as being a security measure against piracy or for the identification of who purchased a track, think again.


So I'm thinking again, and I'm thinking, "If I'm legit, this is a nice trail they can follow to figure out if I paid for it." It would be a lot easier for law enforcement to just plug in a bunch of unique numbers and find out if someone is the true owner. If the metadata didn't exist, it would make someone suspect.


That is akin to filing the serial number off a gun.

But unlike a gun, it's easy to put different numbers on the file.

Point being, with digital media, there will always be way too much of it and it's too easy to alter the information for it to be an effective means of combating piracy.

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