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Your personal comments about me aside, it looks to me like the owner of that bar, no matter how well loved she might be, is not the right person to run the place and doesn't have a good handle of "what is going to do the best as far as drawing patrons."

The reason why I can say that is because she's not drawing patrons. Despite having survived whatever killed the competition, she hasn't managed to capture any of the demand left wanting when the competition died, and has managed to lose some of what she had. You say she's done everything right. She might have done everything possible, but she didn't do something right because the result has been poor.

In other words, what you're saying doesn't make sense. You're saying that despite being the only bar in a town of 30,000, with more than 3,000 drinkers in it, this bar can't get enough patrons to support karaoke night.

I suspect that it has very little to do with karaoke, or the presence or absence of competition. Perhaps the area is economically depressed, and people simply can't afford to spend money at a bar on a regular basis. That has nothing to do with karaoke. But if there were still 8 bars in town, the situation would probably be worse, not better.

Again,,, so wrong you are. The town/county is really not economically depressed, it's actually holding it's own nicely. The various reasoning that the other bars are no longer around has no bearing on what she is or is not doing. The fact she IS the right person for the job, but I will agree she has failed to capture what the patrons are wanting at this point in time. She hasn't really moved forward into the 21st century like I said before. Karaoke there used to be vibrant and totally accepted. However now, it just isn't what the patrons are asking for. The owner hasn't yet discovered what the "what" is yet. Hopefully soon before she goes down like the others.

Living in the past never got anyone successful. Business' need to always be innovative and fresh,,, just as karaoke should be. The people you are working for are no longer among those who are "innovative or fresh". You have become irrelevant. I honestly hate to see that happening, because I for one, really liked the product that Sound Choice put out back in the day.... well those days are gone.

Just like the owner of the last standing bar, Sound Choice/PEP or whatever you call yourself these days, NEED to let go and start over. Maybe the lack of resources (money) is a problem for both your employer and the bar, that is not for me to say. But from where everyone is standing and seeing, change is in order.

I watch Bar Rescue on a regular basis, and what John Taffer says is gospel truth, "I don't embrace excuses, I embrace solutions". Karaoke was great in the 90"s and early 2000's because it was new, fun and exciting. It's definitely not new anymore.

Now as far as the personal remarks I made, I am sorry if those appear to be offensive. But in all honesty,, that is how you and your company are making yourselves out to be. Whether you agree with it or not, or true or not, it is the general opinion. Sorry if that is too personal.

Party Tyme in disc form is fully allowed for kj use as well. The KSF karaoke.net is a US operation and all downloads sold in the US are fully licensed for US 'KJ/pro' use. Here is an answer in their FAQ

KSF Entertainment US, Inc.
2252 Killearn Center Blvd.
Tallahassee, FL 32309
United States
usa@ksf.net
Toll free: 800 965 6691
Direct: +1 850 688 3237

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It's really funny how the story changes with Harrington when the previous story doesn't fit the agenda. First, the suits would help eliminate pirates because the market was so saturated. Then, when PEP decided to enter into the hosting business the story was there is plenty to go around. Now we are back to the market being so saturated with pirates story.

He's worse than Hillary and Trump all rolled into one. I am sure he will explain this with some BS, but the bottom line is the story changes to fit the current agenda. People need to understand they are reading the comments of a lawyer that will say whatever works best for his client and not you and definitely not what's best for the industry.

As self proclaimed karaoke industry disruptors, the PEP litigation factory has always approached their lawsuits with innovative and fresh disruptions.

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What do you expect? He's a lawyer and he also has a financial interest in the company he litigates for. He's sure not gonna share any loopholes to get you around what they're doing. They make money, in part, through people buying GEM or bs HELP licenses. Not bs for them, of course, but if you're dumb enough to make monthly payments for pirated material, then go ahead and be that fool. Sure, it will keep them from suing you, but $129 a month buys an awful lot of music these days, music that you'll actually use, considering probably 90% of their 19,000 song catalog will never get sung at a show.

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To keep the record straight, Party Tyme is owned by Sybersound - a private US company. KSF Entertainment is a US based company that handles the digital distribution of Sybersound content and is listed in all licenses with the publishers. Neither of the companies share the annual turnover and the percentages of the various channels of distribution. The statement made by Jim is not based on fact and is inaccurate. KSF Entertainment Group is a Finnish company that owns and operates Customburn.com and does not conduct business in the USA.

Karaoke.net is thriving as a result of the support from both home users, KJ's and club owners who wish to have licensed content in their venues. I won't comment on the other arguments in this thread other than to say - thank you...People want a legal alternative and we will continue to provide it.

Thank you for clarifying the relationship between KSF and Sybersound. I apologize for any inaccuracies.

You are welcome

I want to add that the bar/night life in general in my state is failing. Not because of karaoke, but because attitudes and habits are changing. Karaoke is having no trouble dying all on it's own. Not to forget the efforts that seem to being made by a certain group trying to scare/coerce bars into paying these "fees". The cost of doing business is already out of hand for these bar owners, and to say things like "if they can't afford to pay the fees, they shouldn't be in business". Some places, without karaoke WILL close down. And adding these extra expense will break the camels back. Sending these letters of "information" to bring on panic will do absolutely no good. It's like a bad cop setting up a speed trap all on his own, telling speeders,, "either pay me ,, or pay the courts"

If a bar owner said to his beer distributor, "Hey, I can't afford to pay for my beer, because the cost of business is just out of hand," how long do you think it would take that beer distributor to stop making deliveries?

If the beer bill went unpaid, how long would it take the distributor to go to court to get his money? How long should the beer distributor go without warning the bar?

If a bar cannot afford to hire legal karaoke at a reasonable rate, it should not have karaoke. We are unwilling to allow bars to plead poverty, financial conditions, regulations, taxes, or whatever, refuse to hire legal KJs, and still have the use of our products as part of their profitmaking enterprise. This music is NOT FREE, and it is long past time for venues to stop treating it as though it is.

If you can't afford it, you don't need it. Sorry if that's scary, but it's the way it is. If that means half or more of the bars stop having karaoke, so be it.

Okay everybody... STOP ALREADY! I can't laugh and eat any more popcorn at the same time!

I've had to clean my monitor 4 times already!


It does crack me up though that the only temporary summer gig Harrington mentions requires that he move equipment through at least 5 states and a foreign country to get there...

But seriously, I'm just kidding.... carry on!

And, by the way:
Well, my "research" was the information directly from the "social media advertising" for the club itself....


And I noticed that earlier in the year, the advertised time was 9:00pm then 10:00pm and then (as above) it moves again to 11:00pm and a teensy square on the 17th mentioning "karaoke party starts back at 9:00pm" again?

9pm, 10pm, 11pm and then 9pm? What a novel idea! How's that working out for you? Here's a tip: Make sure that you cancel karaoke whenever there's an important sports game on too. The singers will be so hot to sing the next week, you'll be slammed! (trust me)

But the point is that the only "advertising" I could find for your gig said it was over and done.... twice. And I've seen ZERO from you. As a marketing manager, don't you think there should be even a little coordination between the karaoke operator and the establishment? Especially if you have to drive through 5 states and foreign country just to get there. (If these are different locations and times, that's not very clear in the "advertising.")


(you might want to check your own business operations before you open your mouth like a know-it-all to complain and criticize others that really are and have been in this side of the business much longer than 3 months)

Earlier this month I was in Alaska.. (Go figure)

Karaoke everywhere..

We even drove up into Yukon Territory above British Columbia, ..
Sang my a$$ off.

Didn't see much SC..

Great trip.. Recommend it..

Flew first class to Sea-Tac, jumped on the cruise ship, headed North..

Great time.. Even had Karaoke on the ship..

First class air home..

Relax, it's all good..

And who are YOU to tell a Bar/Venue what they can and can not pay to a "Legal" KJ? I remember about 15 years ago, when Matt (Knightshow (R.I.P.)) lived in Portland OR, and was hosting Karaoke, he said the going rate was $75 for a 4-5 hour show. No bar out there was willing to pay more. I have a felling that nothing's changed out there.

And, isn't that sweet of you to not give a crap about KJs that can't get ANY work because YOU FEEL that if the Bars can't afford to pay a decent rate (BTW... Define "DECENT RATE" (since that varies from region to region)), then the Bars shouldn't hire a KJ at any rate (below a "Decent Rate).

He's gonna get them when he pays the money. Right now they are put away for safe keeping.

Ok. Those cities are in Texas. The establishments where he plays got the letters. I have original discs that he will get when he pays for them.

Also I would like to ask another question. If an establishment has their own system,even though they pay their fees, would they have to have the original discs, as well? Would the person that is doing the actual show, who is not an establishment staff member, have to be licensed?

I don't have to wait to see if his points are valid because I know gd123... and he's been rated as the "#1 karaoke company" in a city of almost 1,000,000 (yes, that's "a million") for a number of years.... in a row.

Check your private messages.

OK... let me first start off by apologizing for my earlier accusation about you. What you wrote now (about selling your SC discs to your Son-in-Law) makes a little more sense to me. I'm assuming that you have all of the specific SC discs that he needs to be 1:1. Did he ever have the original discs to begin with (you can answer that in a PM, rather than get him in any possible trouble)?

Okay, sure.

And my operations manager's company has been rated the number one karaoke company in a city of more than 1 million for a number of years in a row. He disagrees with gd123.

So we'll have to see.