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If you don't use SC or CB, there is no reason why any venue you service would receive a letter from us.

We don't send out random letters.

Actually, I am a register CB user.

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Then your venues would definitely not get letters from us.

One piece of Paper, an envelope and a stamp is a cheap way to hopefully scare someone into becoming an unwilling customer. They must be in a hurry to grab as much fast cash as they can before the ruling in District 7 becomes more widely advertised. They must really be counting on the average venue's ignorance about that ruling. Why Not? I guess they really have nothing to lose by sending a letter rather than filing an actual law suit. Those filings cost a lot more money....especially when you know that there is already a federal ruling against your tactics.

One federal ruling against, 18 for. Ignorant.

Letters: We've been sending letters to venues for years. Ignorant.

Cheap: Before we send a letter, we do hours of costly preliminary investigative work, then when our letters get ignored, we follow that with hours more. Ignorant.

Scaring venues: Venues that use pirate karaoke deserve to be scared. But our letters aren't threatening. They are designed to educate venues about the issues. Ignorant.

You've got a lot of nerve, coming on here and posting your fraudulent assertions, based as they are in ignorance. You hide behind a pseudonym and spew that ignorance to anyone who'll listen, just because you think it's fun to promote stealing. It's pathetic.

Jim, if you don't send random letters why did you say this?


So it looks like you do send random letters. Just wondering.

I don't follow. These are cities where we've never filed a lawsuit. What makes you think the letter targets were random?

It only takes one ruling against you to open up the eyes of all of the other people you go after to realize that there is a valid defense to your attacks. Most venue operators don't have their hand on the pulse of the karaoke legal issues that karaoke fans have. They are more than likely ignorant of the fact that in District 7, you had your a$$e$ handed to you. You send out these trolling letters in hopes that these same people would rather just settle, with a check of course, before they would spend even more money on an attorney to investigate why District 7 thought that your legal claims were nothing but trolling for settlements and that there is nothing illegal about media shifting karaoke tracks. Your "letters" are nothing more than "panhandling" in my opinion. Big man with a law degree can only make a living by filing law suits against KJs that are working for peanuts in the first place. If they want to keep making peanuts, you want half of their peanuts. And people wonder why lawyers get no respect.

You've never even seen one of our letters. What makes you so certain they are "trolling" letters?

It looks like you sent letters to these establishments but did not do the investigative work. You sent the letters to try to scare them, which it looks like it worked. The letters to the establishment might have employed a legal KJ but you didn't care, you just wanted to instill fear. That's the way I see it.

Either you're misinformed or you're making assumptions that don't have any basis in fact.

The letters we send are only sent after a preliminary investigation. The purpose of the letters is to inform the venue that they are using an unlicensed operator, to explain why that's a problem, and to invite them to sign up for the free Safe Harbor program. We also identify other options that venues have for avoiding infringement.

We do not ask for money in these letters. Period.

But that does raise an interesting question.

Should venues be able to hire pirate karaoke and not face any consequences for doing so?

That assumes the venue has actually looked into their KJ host.

If anything, most venues look at is the cost of service. It doesn't matter if I'm legal, or insured, or how good my equipment is, or if pay my taxes etc.. The main question is almost always "How much for how long?" followed by "How big is your following?"

I guess if the venue owns the pirated tracks, you might have a case.

are you calling anyone who has not paid a second time a pirate?

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What you're describing is willful blindness. It's not a legal excuse for participating in infringement. Karaoke is a profit-making endeavor, especially for the venue. If that profit is based on stealing, how are we wrong for pointing it out to the venue and holding them accountable if they continue to use pirate karaoke?

In these letters we're not even calling people pirates who haven't paid the first time.

If I get some time today, I'll post a copy of one of these letters, with names redacted, so you can see exactly what we say to these venues.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck; IT'S A FU&%NG DUCK

You seem awfully certain for someone who's never seen one of our letters.

If I remember correctly, a looooong time ago Sound Choice put out a disc that was titled "READ BETWEEN THE LINES". I believe it consisted of songs that Sound Choice didn't have sync licenses for so they released these tracks without any graphics. It was their way of thumbing their noses at the people they failed to get licenses from. I also believe that your first letter to these venues is nothing but a shot across the bough of their ship. A warning shot, if you will. The letter is your way of saying; We know where you are. We know what you're doing and we don't like it. If you don't respond in a way to our liking, the next letter won't be as cordial. Maybe you should include a copy of the ruling that was made in District 7 as part of your educational letter so they will have a better understanding of BOTH sides of the issue? Let these venues know that there is another lawyer out there that whooped your A$$ when push came to shove. Give them a choice of which attorney they would prefer to pay. I wonder what you and your partner would do if you received a letter from that other attorney informing you that he was representing one of these venues that you have sent a letter to? Would you quickly drop that venue from your law suit wish list to avoid losing in court again and setting another bad precedent, for you? Hmmmmmm? I'm just reading between the lines.