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Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:06 pm ] |
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Phill Cross wrote: Not certain if you are implying that my working as a KJ is a public health menace or not? Because that would be absurd! Whoever comes to my shows are taking the risks by being out. Does it not have risks going to Home Depot, Target, Walmart, a car wash, a fast-food or dine-in restaurant, or a number of other activities?! The current tests are providing many false positives, as well as, negatives. I don't believe them either but these numbers are the only numbers that we can currently work with. * We had an England, Scotland & Ireland vacation scheduled for mid-September which due to COVID19 we had to cancel. We instead are going to spend our money domestically by visiting Nashville & New Orleans instead! ![]() As far as vacations go I had one on the calendar, and cancelled it. I hope you and your family will be safe Phill, the EU has bent it's curve down, Tennessee and Louisianna haven't, like the rest of this country. For those that were hoping for signs of recovery, just keep in mind today was the highest one day increase of new cases to date. Over 5 thousand in Texas and Florida each. In Florida especially it is troubling since many of the new infections is in the 18 to 35 year old range, those bullet proof young people. Those that can spread the disease to unsuspecting seniors, who make up 20% of the state's population. Even in California the number of cases is on the rise over 7,000 today. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:17 am ] |
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Phill Cross wrote: Actually, I spoke with two attorneys: The person that wishes to file suit against anyone has to provide proof
2) that the person actually knows that they in fact got COVID19 from that specific location (which they cannot obviously prove!) 3) that they were not aware of any potential risks involved in their participation or activity (which we all know is exaggerated daily by the media!) ![]() P.S. It is possible to determine if a person contracted COVID19 from a specific location by contact tracing, that is how health professionals determine which business's to shut down. It is called identifying the source of the infection. |
Author: | Alan B [ Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:45 am ] |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: Phill Cross wrote: Actually, I spoke with two attorneys: The person that wishes to file suit against anyone has to provide proof
2) that the person actually knows that they in fact got COVID19 from that specific location (which they cannot obviously prove!) 3) that they were not aware of any potential risks involved in their participation or activity (which we all know is exaggerated daily by the media!) ![]() P.S. It is possible to determine if a person contracted COVID19 from a specific location by contact tracing, that is how health professionals determine which business's to shut down. It is called identifying the source of the infection. Numbers 2 and 3 can be argued in court, however there would be no way to prove (#1) that the KJ's intent was to cause harm, especially since they have come out voluntarily and on their own free will. No one has forced them to come out. The KJ has nothing to worry about as far as a lawsuit. And if someone did try to sue, it would be thrown right out of court. Unless, you've been living under a rock for the past 4 months, everyone in knows that there is a pandemic going on and is aware of the risks of going out. If people are that stupid to congregate in an enclosed public place for hours on end, and they get the virus, they have nobody to blame but themselves. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:59 am ] |
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Alan B wrote: Numbers 2 and 3 can be argued in court, however there would be no way to prove (#1) that the KJ's intent was to cause harm, especially since they have come out voluntarily and on their own free will. No one has forced them to come out. The KJ has nothing to worry about as far as a lawsuit. And if someone did try to sue, it would be thrown right out of court. Unless, you've been living under a rock for the past 4 months, everyone in knows that there is a pandemic going on and is aware of the risks of going out. If people are that stupid to congregate in an enclosed public place for hours on end, and they get the virus, they have nobody to blame but themselves. ![]() P.S. On one level you are right Alan, SC found out how hard it was to sue KJ's, and changed their sights to venues. This was concerning piracy. It is quite a different matter when it comes to public health and safety. The way things are set up when it becomes a matter of public health, government does have broad powers to deal with the situation. I think this whole matter might be moot, since I'm convinced we are headed at some point to a second round of lock downs. The National infection rate hit a new high of over 45,000 cases for one day. Those are just the one's we can count, what about the one's that go undetected? Little update dozens of Trumps secret service agents have to self isolate, since two tested positive for corona virus, they all took part in the Tulsa Rally. |
Author: | DannyG2006 [ Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Signs of recovery |
Actually there are a number of ways to factor where they got it by possibly the fact that the bar was the only place where the guidelines were not followed. Multiple cases of people who were there the same night getting the disease, sort of like getting ecoli or salmonella from a restaurant. So yeah there are ways to determine where they got it. |
Author: | Phill Cross [ Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Signs of recovery |
Due to the fact that the incubation period can be extensive, they are actually unable to figure out exactly where or pinpoint when the exposure occurred. BTW - contact tracing is extremely flawed as you have to have everyone participate! I am not and I know several hundred others that refuse to! #3 is where the real issue is - if someone claims they didn't know they are either an idiot or been living off-planet! #1 Obviously the intent of the venue is to provide service that the customer decided they wanted. The KJ is there to provide entertainment that the customer decided to participate in. Therefore, ultimately it is on the customer for going out! Why do some locations, such as the rally, decide to have people sign a waiver - Maybe it is to make certain that these individuals realize that it is there choice to be there! I am not going to worry about some idiot that wants to attempt to sue me or my venue for their decision... Obviously, people can file a suit all they want. There are lawsuits filed all the time that have no valid grounds just a hope of recovery! |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:56 pm ] |
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Phill Cross wrote: Due to the fact that the incubation period can be extensive, they are actually unable to figure out exactly where or pinpoint when the exposure occurred. BTW - contact tracing is extremely flawed as you have to have everyone participate! I am not and I know several hundred others that refuse to! #3 is where the real issue is - if someone claims they didn't know they are either an idiot or been living off-planet! #1 Obviously the intent of the venue is to provide service that the customer decided they wanted. The KJ is there to provide entertainment that the customer decided to participate in. Therefore, ultimately it is on the customer for going out! Why do some locations, such as the rally, decide to have people sign a waiver - Maybe it is to make certain that these individuals realize that it is there choice to be there! I am not going to worry about some idiot that wants to attempt to sue me or my venue for their decision... Obviously, people can file a suit all they want. There are lawsuits filed all the time that have no valid grounds just a hope of recovery! ![]() |
Author: | Bob Latshaw [ Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:46 pm ] |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: ![]() Well you did in many pages of previous posts. Glad to see you finally turned a corner, albeit like an overloaded tanker ship. Trying to be a guiding light of safety is one thing, but trying to convince other KJs NOT to do what you also did for years is just hypocritical. This pandemic really hasn't changed things as much as most people think it has. At first it did, but now that we've learned the data about who is at risk and what the average person can expect, it's not so scary anymore. I don't think you'll see a complete lockdown again, even if there is a second wave. I think you may see laws where people will still have to social distance and wear masks in places where the vulnerable have to go, like grocery stores etc..., but places like bars will probably lean towards a more "enter at your own risk" mentality, and it would appear (at least here in Baltimore) that most people are completely ok with that. Especially karaoke singers. |
Author: | DannyG2006 [ Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:20 pm ] |
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Guess what all ages are at risk. Who is affected is changing every day. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:01 am ] |
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Bob Latshaw wrote: Well you did in many pages of previous posts. Glad to see you finally turned a corner, albeit like an overloaded tanker ship. Trying to be a guiding light of safety is one thing, but trying to convince other KJs NOT to do what you also did for years is just hypocritical. This pandemic really hasn't changed things as much as most people think it has. At first it did, but now that we've learned the data about who is at risk and what the average person can expect, it's not so scary anymore. I don't think you'll see a complete lockdown again, even if there is a second wave. I think you may see laws where people will still have to social distance and wear masks in places where the vulnerable have to go, like grocery stores etc..., but places like bars will probably lean towards a more "enter at your own risk" mentality, and it would appear (at least here in Baltimore) that most people are completely ok with that. Especially karaoke singers. ![]() Enter at you own risk if you want, just don't expect the hospital to be able to take care of you, since most of ICU's will be full up, and you will have to just die alone, for being foolish. Think about that when you can't breathe, it will be the same as if someone had their knee on your neck. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:37 am ] |
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Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:44 am ] |
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Author: | Bob Latshaw [ Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:53 am ] |
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Do you really need to start every message with a yellow exclamation point? Is this your calling card? Does this make you feel more like the real lone ranger? In keeping with the original topic, yesterday we had our best sales day since February. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:14 am ] |
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Author: | Alan B [ Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:27 am ] |
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I have come to the conclusion that this virus is not going to stop until it kills us all. And the reason for that is because there is no unity in fighting it. Therefore, there is no reason to stay locked down at home living in fear. That is not living. So, since it's just a matter of time... we might as well enjoy life until your number is called. But mark my words... this virus will be apocalyptic. And all because of the stupidity of the human race. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:42 am ] |
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Alan B wrote: I have come to the conclusion that this virus is not going to stop until it kills us all. And the reason for that is because there is no unity in fighting it. Therefore, there is no reason to stay locked down at home living in fear. That is not living. So, since it's just a matter of time... we might as well enjoy life until your number is called. But mark my words... this virus will be apocalyptic. And all because of the stupidity of the human race. ![]() P.S. The smart play is to sit this dance out, the trouble is many cannot afford not to work, that is why we need to fix the social safety net so all of us can survive until we can resume life as normal. Hopefully the current situation won't be the new normal, if that were to happen then we really would be up against it! |
Author: | Alan B [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:39 am ] |
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Here's the deal... If all states got together and did the following: • Mandatory lockdown for 2 weeks. Only exception is going food shopping. • Mandatory masks when food shopping. Then, the virus would be gone in 2 weeks. But since that's never going to happen, and there is no unity in fighting this, hundreds of thousands more people will die. Remember, right now there is no cure. No treatment and no vaccine. Look, we all know that we shouldn't be going out socializing during a pandemic... yet, people are doing so anyway. Just like people know that smoking is no good for you and could kill you, but... people do it anyway. And drinking (alcohol) is the worst thing you can do to your body, but... again, people don't care. We live in a society where people do what they want to do, regardless of the ramifications. Therefore, I have no doubt in my mind that the Corona Virus will become apocalyptical. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:50 am ] |
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Alan B wrote: Here's the deal... If all states got together and did the following: • Mandatory lockdown for 2 weeks. Only exception is going food shopping. • Mandatory masks when food shopping. Then, the virus would be gone in 2 weeks. But since that's never going to happen, and there is no unity in fighting this, hundreds of thousands more people will die. Remember, right now there is no cure. No treatment and no vaccine. Look, we all know that we shouldn't be going out socializing during a pandemic... yet, people are doing so anyway. Just like people know that smoking is no good for you and could kill you, but... people do it anyway. And drinking (alcohol) is the worst thing you can do to your body, but... again, people don't care. We live in a society where people do what they want to do, regardless of the ramifications. Therefore, I have no doubt in my mind that the Corona Virus will become apocalyptical. ![]() |
Author: | Bob Latshaw [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:13 am ] |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: ![]() You're missing the point. When you're having an in person conversation, do you hold up a ping pong paddle in front of your face for a second before you speak? Why are you making people's eyes have to view something that is completely irrelevant to the conversation? I don't think anyone here believes it's your "logo". Logos and signatures are placed at the end, or in your avatar, AWAY from the message itself, but definitely not as the first character. It's just weird. It would be like me randomly putting one of my sentences in Russian. это было бы странно. In normal English, sentences don't start with pictures. You're not using it as a cute reference either ![]() Here's an idea. What do you think about having your words speak for themselves? Let everyone else decide how important they are. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:20 am ] |
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