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 Post subject: Re: Signs of recovery
PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:26 am 
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Scroll up. You were replying to my statement that ended with the last sentence that COVID wouldn't be as bad as the black plague. You came back with your reply that started with the sentence "Six months can have big effects on our society"

It sure looks like you're trying to say that the upcoming 6 months with COVID could be as bad. You know what it implies and that was your intention. If you don't then you're just playing word games.



By the way six months can have institutional changing effects on any society, we already saw it happen in New York and now in Texas and Florida. The funeral homes become overwhelmed and can't process all of the dead bodies, they have to call up refrigeration trucks to put the bodies in. In a similar manner during the period of the Black Death there was nobody to bury the dead. There were social dislocations during the Middle Ages, not enough people were left to work nobles estates, the land owners had to start paying wages for the first time for farm laborers. There will be social dislocations with the Covid-19, many small business's will close forever and the workers will not get those jobs back. Already there was going to be a workforce realignment due to AI, this pandemic only hurried that process along so instead of happening over 10to 15 years, it is all happening in one year. How bad it gets depends what we all doe in the meantime to try and slow down the virus, and adjust to the new abnormal we will all be living with, for sometime.


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Anyone ever heard of radiation poisoning? Guess what the symptoms are? Same as COVID. Same as Radiation Pneumonitis. Look that up. Same symptoms as those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki that were not at ground level. Radiation from Cells (Mobile Devices)? Just what frequencies are telecoms broadcasting currently? They are changing them you know. The Diamond Princess cruise advertised they were total 5G on board.

Dizziness, Shortness of breath, Fever, Chills, DRY COUGH that is persistent, Headache from coughing, Sore throat from coughing, muscle aches in the chest and back and abdomen from persistent coughing that feels like thorns and broken glass in lungs, pale lips like from altitude sickness (oxygen deprivation).

Check out http://www.microwavedvets.com - They have their own medical protocol for COVID to give to doctors.

Radiation is known to cause free radicals. Free radicals are pieces of toxic material known as oxidants. Could that be why High doses of Intravenous Vit C, Zinc, Selenium, and best of all Vit D3 are being shown to shorten the length of Coronavirus? After all they are ANTIOXIDANTS. Why is all this info being scrubbed by social media?

We are designed to take in ample oxygen. Why are healthy people quarantining themselves with masks? Breathing carbon dioxide some people all day long. That alone will lower your immune system especially day after day. If they truly believe it is a virus or germ or bad bacteria, then a mask is like a screen door on a submarine or like a chain link fence to keep mosquitos out.

Those guys know better. They are supposed to know microbiology and be aware of Koch's Postulates BTW none having been proven.

Where are you getting the cdc saying to wear masks 24/7. You only need to wear a mask where social distancing is impossible like at a store or places like that. They even say not to wear them while driving. You freedom cryers and virus danger naysayers only spout misinformation that only supports your arguments. Personally I think that everyone should be more concerned about their fellow man than their own selves. To do otherwise is selfish in my opinion.

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...and so goes another thread hijacked by a conspiracy theorist. It's a shame that Karaoke Scene doesn't have the resources to flag inaccurate posts like the major social media platforms. When I say "resources", I mean admins that are bright enough to know the difference and not too lazy or afraid to do anything about it.
This place is becoming one of the last places left that conspiracy theorists can thrive in a cesspool of confusion, and the admins here are letting them. When DannyG becomes the voice of reason, clearly there's a breakdown in the system.


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When DannyG becomes the voice of reason, clearly there's a breakdown in the system.

If Danny were running for President of the United States, he would certainly get my vote. I think he would be a hell of a lot better (and smarter) then who we have now.

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Alan B wrote:
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When DannyG becomes the voice of reason, clearly there's a breakdown in the system.

If Danny were running for President of the United States, he would certainly get my vote. I think he would be a hell of a lot better (and smarter) then who we have now.


Any functioning adult would be better. I think Danny would just milk it for all it's worth. The job does pay like $400K/year, so he'd finally have enough money to build some of his grand karaoke ideas :wink: Of course being president would totally go to his head and he'd forget all about karaoke.


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 Post subject: Re: Signs of recovery
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The subject is Signs of recovery, as of this morning I am seeing very few signs. It seems to be just more of the same, but what can be expected? We as a nation have not been working off the same script for some time now. It is more like 50 different plays each having a run in 50 different states. That is just for starters, cities and counties are also having their own little community theaters going, all playing to different reviews, some good plays some really bad. Covid-19 so far has had the upper hand, since we can't unite, even mask wearing has become a political statement, rather than a matter of public health and safety like it should be. Here in California we are paying the price for reopening too quickly, maybe in two weeks we will be back in stay at home orders?

As far as hosts are concerned just about every news program I see now, touts the dangers of bars, and how most state and local governments have closed bars. These bars represent a breeding ground for the virus, unfortunately for hosts many of the venues that once hired them are now being forced to close for a second time. It is doubtful if many will reopen again, since their cash reserves are low, and it seems the money raised to help small business's is now gone, and will probably not be renewed. Hosts themselves have to wrestle with choice of going back to work or not, if there is a place to play. The act of doing a karaoke show is a super spreader event in it's own right.

The two new Oxford vaccine's that were going to be a big break out, are just good they are not great. They give about the same immune status of having the virus, about two months, actually they are a little bit weaker than if you have the virus and recover. So having a vaccine that will cover someone for a year or even six months is still not available. That was sort of a pipe dream anyway since the average time to develop an effective proven vaccine is usually four years. Also herd immunity might not be the remedy it was once thought to be, since the effects of immunity only last a couple of months at most.

With no effective vaccine and no effective treatments to date, it looks like we will be in for a long difficult flu season this Fall. Infection rates continue to climb and we are averaging over 70,000 new cases a day. Deaths are starting to climb as well, I just saw the largest retirement community in Florida, is now suffering infections, and has over 1,000 reported cases, out of 120,000 residents. As a state Florida is one of the most hard hit along with Texas, and California. All of these have large populations.


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For you anti maskers out there.


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Anyone like Bill Nye he has a video showing how important masks are.
https://youtu.be/EV4IcXlpxcM

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Danny, no one is saying masks are bad. You just can't realistically use them in bars and restaurants.


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Actually you can use them for moving around like going to the bathroom. Social interaction away from your table. Etc.

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Bob Latshaw wrote:
Danny, no one is saying masks are bad. You just can't realistically use them in bars and restaurants.



If that is so Bob then both bars and restaurants should remain closed, like they currently are in many areas of this country. Any type of super spreader venue must remain closed, while the numbers continue to spike.


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Actually you can use them for moving around like going to the bathroom. Social interaction away from your table. Etc.

Danny, that is a great answer. You are the kind of man we need in the White House!


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The Lone Ranger wrote:
Bob Latshaw wrote:
Danny, no one is saying masks are bad. You just can't realistically use them in bars and restaurants.



If that is so Bob then both bars and restaurants should remain closed, like they currently are in many areas of this country. Any type of super spreader venue must remain closed, while the numbers continue to spike.


They only "must" remain closed when the local law says so. Not because a random character named The Lone Ranger says so. If a restaurant can legally open and chooses to do so, they have every right to open, and your opinion isn't part of the equation. Stop talking like you make the laws. This whole internet thing has gone a bit to your head. Just because many people can read your messages doesn't mean the majority agree with your messages. If they did, everything would be shut down. Everything is not shut down. Far from it. There are far too many brave individuals out there ready to do business and sing songs. Officials have seen it. They know what the people want and they also know they need to get re-elected. It's not rocket science. They won't be able to keep things closed forever.


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DannyG2006 wrote:
Actually you can use them for moving around like going to the bathroom. Social interaction away from your table. Etc.

Danny, that is a great answer. You are the kind of man we need in the White House!

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Bob Latshaw wrote:

They only "must" remain closed when the local law says so. Not because a random character named The Lone Ranger says so. If a restaurant can legally open and chooses to do so, they have every right to open, and your opinion isn't part of the equation. Stop talking like you make the laws. This whole internet thing has gone a bit to your head. Just because many people can read your messages doesn't mean the majority agree with your messages. If they did, everything would be shut down. Everything is not shut down. Far from it. There are far too many brave individuals out there ready to do business and sing songs. Officials have seen it. They know what the people want and they also know they need to get re-elected. It's not rocket science. They won't be able to keep things closed forever.



What a bunch of hog wash Bob. It is not because I say so, it is because the local authorities who ever they are say so. I don't make the laws, there are those who have the job of enforcing local ordinances, when the health and welfare of the community is at stake. There may be business's open but as far as locally here in California all of the bars, even the private non-profit clubs are closed, because of the health risk they pose. Yes there are those who don't want to conform, is that bravery, or is is just plain arrogance? Officials know what people want, but just like kids, there has to be some adults in the room. What is the use of getting re-elected, if you are not going to honor your oath to serve, and protect? It is not rocket science you are right, you go against the guidelines and you increase your chances of becoming sick, and making others sick as well. Things won't be closed forever, but certain venues will be closed maybe for the duration of the present health emergency. Deal with it!


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It's official Bob even Desperate Donald has had to admit the problem is serious with the pandemic. He has had to start his daily briefings again, ignoring the problem wasn't working. He doesn't want to deal with it, others don't want to admit that this is something of the most importance to address. Now The Donald says wear a mask, don't go to bars or other crowded indoor venues, gee where have I heard that before? Almost 4 million infections have been reported and we are over 145,000 deaths, probably more, and we aren't even through the Summer, where the warm weather was supposed to check Covid-19. You can wave the flag of bravery and freedom all you want, you are just one breath away from maybe getting sick yourself, or some one close to you. Too many people now know some one infected or have died, due to this virus.


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Really? You're using Donald Trump as a source of credibility? You're never going to convince anyone at this rate. Give it up LR.


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Bob Latshaw wrote:
Really? You're using Donald Trump as a source of credibility? You're never going to convince anyone at this rate. Give it up LR.



I'm just not going to convince you Bob, other people seem to be taking this emergency seriously. At least seriously enough to face the fact that we might have to have another round of lock downs this Fall and Winter. I'm sure after the election the Biden Administration will take the pandemic seriously, and finally have a national program to fight the virus. No more of this piece meal state by state approach which is failing miserably.


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No more of this piece meal state by state approach which is failing miserably.

I've been saying that all along. Not only did the piecemeal approach not work but it made it worse. So, the only way to get a handle on this would be for a national lockdown... in every state... and, it must be enforced.

If people don't follow the rules, throw their a$$ in jail, like they've done in other countries like Spain. It must me a lockdown, that must be enforced if we're to bring this down. I have no tolerance for stupid people who refuse to comply and do the right thing so that lives may be saved.

If we don't turn this around soon, we are all doomed.

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It is not the virus that is going to doom us Alan, rather it is the way we have responded to it, and other strains we have put on our democratic republic that might doom us, or should I say this on going political experiment called The United States of America. We are entering into the last one hundred days before the presidential elections. We are a country divided rather than united. We forget the old saying "United we stand Divided we Fall. I am really more concerned about our country surviving, than if I survive, since I'm old already. That doesn't mean I'm willing to throw myself into the economic volcano, at least yet.

We are demonstrating to the world that we are no longer the leader of the free world. Rather even the most basic of things like public health is above our ability to solve, due mainly to the greed and selfishness of the leaders of this country. Big business has demonstrated the pure capitalism unfettered, like pure anything can be a bad thing. Right now during this pandemic we can't on this forum agree if having karaoke in a public setting is a good thing, or a public health menace? Our enemies are once again poised to try and meddle in our elections, if we fail at having fair and honest one's, then we are on the road to being doomed for sure. It will be the interests of the few, that will override the good of the many.


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